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imtiyazbc
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License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

Why is the license cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop ?

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Chanty4u
Esteemed Contributor III

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

Question is wrong

Qlikview desktop is free ,

Np designer is cost -https://selecthub.com/products/qlikview

imtiyazbc
New Contributor III

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

Are you saying licensed Qlikview desktop is free ?

Chanty4u
Esteemed Contributor III

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

if you want to use in your home with license is nor free .

as in companies will use the licensed version of qlikview is for cost.

imtiyazbc
New Contributor III

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

That brings us to my original question :

What is the logic in keeping license cost of Nprinting Designer (Desktop) more than Qlikview Desktop ? Isn't Nprinting used merely to schedule and distribute reports ?

Chanty4u
Esteemed Contributor III

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

yes . in designer what ever the way user required like excel,ppt,pdf.. so we need to design in the designer then you need to schedule the list of customers

stevelord
Valued Contributor

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

The logic is that NPrinting will ultimately make it so you need fewer people and qlikview licenses.

      The value of it depends on how many standard recurring reports you have to send out and how complex those reports are.  For instance, we used to have a couple of analysts who'd spend about 80 hours per month navigating qlikview dashboards and populating this super-fancy pdf they made that had mtd/qtd/ytd numbers and percents and graphs and tables about numerous kinds of activities for a few dozen corporate clients.  Then they left our company simultaneously a week after we got nprinting and I was still figuring out one end from the other of nprinting.  Their pdfs had color schemes and graph styles and layouts that a Qlikview rocket scientist might've been able to match 80% of, so I didn't hurt myself reconstructing that.  Instead I just made a little 1-2 cell chart object  with a super formula to compute each of the numbers the analysts had been looking up.  (Actually a hidden =1 to force the chart to exist even if the main formula results in 0, then the actual formula in the second cell.)  Then I set NPrinting to get all those mini charts and dump them on a plain excel worksheet.  Then I linked all the cells of the fancy excel template to my raw nprinting exports.  We went from 80 hours of work looking up all those numbers and transcribing to the fancy report templates, to pushing 'run' and spending about 1 hour opening and resaving as pdf.  That was the weirdest case.  I have numerous other daily and weekly reports I made from scratch where people were happy with any kind of decent looking graph or table or screenshot Qlikview could make and I don't have to touch those at all.

       I've analyzed how much time those things took to assemble and send before and after NPrinting.  They saved us about 7000 man-hours in year 1, about 15000 in year two (conservatively), and so on.  And that was just me on SBE Qlikview server, my named license, NPrinting 16 server, and 2 nprinting desktop licenses.  The license paid for itself, Qlikview, and my annual salary in under a year that first year.  (We have 5 np designer licenses, 90 qv document licenses, 20 qv named licenses, and people doing interesting things around the place.  I'm just the qv/np sme here.)  I have an honors degree in finance, many years of analyst experience, and still hurt my brain on the formulas and process design though, so you do need to know what you're about to achieve that.  (Also thanks to Gysbert Wasserstein and other legendary QV people and videos and nprinting community helping me learn how to operate the stuff when it was new to me.  My degree helped me with data modeling and analytics, but not how to operate the applications :))

        So, if it's just you making monthly reports to yourself and friends about your movie collection it's probably not worth it.  If you have dozens or hundreds of recurring reports going to many people, it's certainly worth it.  Also I think our nprinting price was something grandfathered and they were doing something to make it cost more if you have more recipients... but you all can assess the value by how much time it saves to have nprinting pull and send reports to everyone before the humans show up to work.  Customer service and health coach teams still need to go navigate Qlikview dashboards to look up individual information on the fly whenever random customers called with random questions.  And we have analysts data mining things and doing ad hoc reports and research too.  If anyone has a repetitive task they're doing though, they ask me to automate it with nprinting for them.

 

Edit: fixed a couple of incorrect words and indented a bit. 🙂

Employee
Employee

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

Hi,

We actually haven't charged for NPrinting Designer since we launched NPrinting 17 a couple years ago. I assume you must still be on NPrinting 16, right? If you migrate to the current platform, you can convert your NP16 servers into NP19 engines. Provided you are not using the SMB license, you can add as many developers to use as many Designers as you'd like as part of the standard Server license. I hope that helps clarify the situation.

Cheers,
Todd

Employee
Employee

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

Thanks for the great testimonial @stevelord ! It's wonderful to hear how much time & money Qlik NPrinting has saved your company! 

stevelord
Valued Contributor

Re: License cost for Nprinting Designer more expensive than Qlikview Desktop

Yes, I'm using nprinting 16(.7.something SR3 I think now with qlikview 12.2.something SRsomething in a windows 10 kind of server environment) and I presume the original poster was using NP16 too given the pricing question.  I saw their post while googling and probably should've left it alone since it's old, but I felt an itch to speak to the value nprinting provides.  At the time, the nprinting designer license was (guessing now) something like 1400 and the qlikview named license was something like 1200, so I presumed the original poster was looking at that price difference at the time.  That said, I think the general thrust of my response was accurate about the value any version of nprinting can add.  As you said, the pricing structure is very different here in the future.  Back when we deployed nprinting 16, nprinting 17 still reportedly had major issues that early adopters were sorting out and had a very different interface, so we stuck to NP16.  And by the time NP17 or later versions were stabilized, I'd single-handedly automated dozens of reports that ran thousands of times without significant issue so everyone was content to just keep doing what we're doing.  We are on a small business edition qlikview server and maybe grandfathered nprinting pricing with unlimited email recipients.  I recall a sales rep saying they were thinking of scaling nprinting prices to volume of recipients it sends to, but not sure if you all went through with that.  Even in this thread, someone could only post a 3rd party blog with a price sheet about qlikview prices and not nprinting prices.  I tried googling nprinting pricing structure here in the future and couldn't find it, but I imagine you all keep those behind a veil and negotiate lots with people who want to negotiate.  (NPrinting designer free now as you say, but maybe cost added to nprinting server or qlikview or qliksense and things scaled based on size of deployment and client's negotiating prowess even when there is a price sheet out there. :))  Whatever the cost I'm sure you all keep it reasonable, and the value is pretty huge, so it should be worthwhile to people who can make use of the programs.