14 Replies Latest reply: May 19, 2016 2:46 PM by Steve Dark RSS

    What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?

    Umer Ikhlas

      Hi all Qlik Techies,

       

      There are lot of material on the community and web for the comparison of these two different products from the Qlik Family but I am confused that when a new client who is in need of a Business Intelligence Solutions, what should we pitch first now? and on the basis of what factors or criteria?

       

      stevedark & hic Please share your valuable thoughts.

       

      Thanks and regards,

      UI

        • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
          Chanty 4u

          Hi,

           

          I prefer Qlikview only

          QlikSense vs QlikView

          • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
            Steve Dark

            Hi Umer,

             

            I have blogged on Sense a few times, any my opinions can be found there:

            http://www.quickintelligence.co.uk/qlikview-vs-qlik-sense/

            http://www.quickintelligence.co.uk/qlik-sense-quick-primer/

            http://www.quickintelligence.co.uk/qlik-sense-cloud-new-features/

             

            Just to add to those posts, I do consultancy on both products, and Qlik Sense is really starting to grow on me.  It is nice to work with, and you can engage with people as you are building things and it all feels simple.  You just need to be aware of the limitations of Sense though.  When working with QlikView I know how to achieve most of what anyone can throw at me, with Sense there are things that it just can not do.  That said, I have come up with some innovative work arounds in Sense (like a field picker for a chart using a data island of field names).

             

            Personally, I still recommend people to use QlikView in most cases - for some things it is quicker and it makes some things possible that are not in Sense.  However, when I have a new data set and I just want to explore it a bit I will tend to use Sense now - often Qlik Cloud - it just feels nicer to use.

             

            Hope that answers your question?

             

            Steve

              • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                Umer Ikhlas

                Thanks for the quick response and to share your experiences with us.


                1. Steve you have said that you still recommend QlikView in most cases. Could you please shed some light on it that what are the main factors or on what basis you decide to pitch QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                2. One of a bank these days is looking for a BI solution. Since it has a large infrastructure so they might be interested in all the functionalities like we have Publisher functionality in QlikView, server cluster etc. What to pitch there?


                Thanks in Advance

                UI

                  • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                    Steve Dark

                    Hi Umer,

                     

                    In the main we don't get to chose what we pitch.  People come to us asking for advice or help on either Sense or QlikView.

                     

                    When we do promote one solution or the other it is generally that someone is looking to get a job done, to solve a problem of some kind, and they want us to do that job.  I know that we can solve problems quicker (and therefore be better value) when working with QlikView.

                     

                    I know that when companies are going out knocking on doors offering BI solutions they will tend to lead with Qlik Sense as it looks shiny and from that point of view is an easier sell.

                     

                    There is an argument that if you can afford it, go for both.  Have a single QVD repository and include files and two different delivery mechanisms.  Sense does have the enterprise functionalities - such as publishing across different nodes - but I still think the ability to get under the bonnet gives QlikView the edge if you have to pick one product in that environment.

                     

                    Hopefully this post will seem woefully outdated soon though, as some of the features that have been added since Sense first appeared (Variables, KPI, Pivot Tables) have some of the missing features added to them (TrendLines, Font Options (without CSS), Conditional Show, Buttons/Actions).

                     

                    Cheers,

                    Steve

                • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                  Robert Hutchings

                  Sense offers a lot more than View. Like screen adapts to screen sizes and form factors, self service, grids, masters metrics etc, better looking visuals, more modern product,  easier to use, story telling, much quicker to set up great looking sheets, sharing Apps for private edition, better drill around, improved pivot tables etc. and that's before seeing version 3

                   

                  In my opinion it's a no contest now. I would recommend changing View to Sense it's so superior. But starting from scratch definitely Sense. And unless you have a sound reason to buy View too just get Sense

                  • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                    Stefan Wühl

                    Another question to ask could be: what is the future of the product?

                     

                    Qlik does invest a lot in Sense, as you can see with the latest updates.

                     

                    I currently don't see that QlikView gets an even comparable amount of development / maintenance effort.

                     

                    The latest QV12 upgrade version mostly shows a change in the underlying engine. No new charts, almost no new features (except structured parameter? some bar chart options?), at least nothing really big for 4,5 years (ok, add direct discovery in 11.20).

                     

                    Maybe there will be some kind of merging of both product branches, so that QlikView users will participate e.g. on the new server APIs, which could lead to QV and QS being mostly different front ends to the same engine.

                     

                    (and I as a developer still like the capabilities of the QV front end ...)

                      • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                        Robert Hutchings

                        People grow attached to products. I did this with View. I found it hard to move on until I showed new users both options. The response for Sense was excellent. Not so for View

                         

                        But after using just Sense for 6 months and moving back to View. I couldn't see why I ever rated View so high. I found it old and dated. Whereas moving from View to Sense was a joy

                         

                        I think Qlik have done an outstanding job with Sense. Still a few minor annoying bugs though but that's understandable.

                        • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                          Steve Dark

                          That is a really good point about how the products are going to be developed going forward, and as swuehl points out QV12 was a real indicator of the future of QlikView.  If someone is looking at a longer term plan, then Sense certainly wins out on that point.  In time, all of the features that you would expect in a BI product will be there - even if your expectations have been set sky high by QlikView.

                           

                          As a solution provider though I still have to look at the most cost effective method for delivering any given solution, on time and to specification.  In many cases (where it isn't a real "self service" scenario) QlikView will win out, mostly due to the reduced consultancy time in getting something built that delivers.  Cycle groups and actions allow for very flexible apps to be built very quickly - alternate dimensions in Sense do not cut it in the same way to my mind.

                           

                          To pick up on the Self Service point for a moment, personally I think that this requirement is a bit of a myth.  Some functionality is available in QlikView for this, and most of my clients will lock down and turn this off as soon as possible.  Generally, without a good understanding of the back end, the data model and basic data visualisation principles, end users will wind up creating inaccurate and misleading charts.  To be honest, I even see people who claim to be skilled developers making some very basic mistakes in this regards.

                           

                          Finally, to pick up on robert99 's point, I do really enjoy using Sense - as long as what I am creating is within it's capabilities.

                           

                          Great to see some much needed discussion going on about the two products and their relative merits.

                           

                          Steve

                            • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                              Robert Hutchings

                              "To pick up on the Self Service point for a moment,"

                               

                              Self service is my favourite new feature in Sense. And I stress this feature in any demos I do. About how it empowers the user. It puts you in control sort of line not some computer bod. Last demo I showed how easy and quick it was to copy and change a sheet. And to use the exploration menu to change chart colours. The demo overall went well. But this approach (empowering users) was in alignment with this company. But with another (ruling from the center type / treat employees like children) company I will stress that users can also be locked down if required (although I don't agree with doing this).

                               

                              But I don't know if this is a big thing or not. But for me some controlled user empowerment is the future. But I have read a Power BI v Sense comparison that dismissed this. I think this writer was wrong and they will also move in this direction.

                               

                              Re creating inaccurate and misleading charts. I have found Sense requires a different mindset on my part to achieve self service. So to trust users more and train them so they can use self service. But more care is needed to set up master dimension and metrics. And I need to resist the temptation to help Qlikers. Like using triggers for example (thankfully not available yet) or building too much into the metrics. Like a YTD component (let them select the require months). Limit the number of master expressions. And I link calendars to have only one month etc. Unsure how this will work out though but my view is if users cant handle self service maybe they can't even analyze reports. So BI is a bit pointless anyway for them.

                                • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                                  Steve Dark

                                  I have to say, that seeing the new video promoting Qlik Sense 3, it troubles me that time has been put into a gloopy UI for the Associative Modelling part, rather than adding some of the much needed features, like trend lines:

                                   

                                   

                                  To my mind, not only does it show a lack of prioritisation, I think it cheapens and plays down what is supposed to be an enterprise class tool aimed squarely at business users.

                                   

                                  Am I alone in this thinking?  Perhaps I am getting dull in my old age.

                                   

                                  Steve

                            • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                              Umer Ikhlas

                              Thank you all for your inputs. This is turning out to be a healthy discussion.

                               

                              So now we (as a solution provider/re-seller) should go for Qlik Sense first unless there are some scenarios where QlikView wins the race with keeping in mind that Qlik's strategic vision found much clear for Qlik Sense as they are more focused on its development.

                               

                              What about the server administration part?

                              Does Qlik Sense have all the enterprise level  functionalities as we have in QlikView Server/Publisher like Clustering and the functionality of loop and reduce???

                                • Re: What to suggest? QlikView or Qlik Sense?
                                  Steve Dark

                                  Sense is Enterprise ready, the QMC is more user friendly in Sense and the spreading services across different nodes is simpler in Sense.  Given it is also going to be getting the lion's share of the development there is no reason to go for QlikView on this basis - unless you have a prospect that will only go for technology that has been tried and tested for many years.

                                   

                                  Steve